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This board is multifaceted, crossing various topics from New Age, spirituality, metaphysical, psychology, physical issues, relationships, emotions, self-help and more. It is created for those who seek change and desire to empower themselves, to live life as an expression of who they really are in unconditional love. If you think/feel that your life and this world full of denial, fear and unlovingness is totally opposite what you desire, it is no coincidence that you are here.

To say that this board will be controversial is an understatement as it goes against almost everything society presently believes to be true about emotions, feelings, life and love. But then why wouldn't it be controversial if the desire and goal is the opposite of what is presently being experienced! To empower yourself, you need to be open to challenge everything you believe to be true, especially about love, life, emotions and feelings and also be willing to end your denials of self.

I openly share the knowledge, tools, messages and insights that I've gained through sixteen years of intensive personal experience and in working with others on their journey. Feel free to visit the various forums and posts and to also add your personal experiences, comments and questions. It is my intent that the ideas and works that will be discussed within this forum will not only expand your consciousness, but also activate your emotions and touch your heart.

In love, light and life,
John Rieger aka Shenreed

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103-03 Denial and Prayer.


Hi everyone,

�How can there be denial in prayer,� you ask? Some, reading this post will say, �how sacrilegious, pious, self-righteous, blasphemous and egotistical, to even suggest that prayer is full of unlovingness and denial. �Good!� I say, �bring up those old beliefs, because it�s time to look at them for what they really are, if self empowerment is your intent.�

The questions are �Why do you pray, who do you pray for, and who do you pray to?� Let�s take others as an example, as it is always easier to see other people�s issues than your own. Lets use someone that is sick and is experiencing difficulties on many levels. Lets even assume that they didn�t ask you to pray for them or to send them healing, but you know they are sick and so you do because you are a loving person. And so you ask, �what�s wrong with praying to God to help someone that is suffering?�

Are you ready to see truth of the �unseen� role of denial? The last part of the question was, �who are you praying to? Is it God, God/Goddess, the creator of everything, the all-hearing, seeing, knowing, all-powerful one, whose love is perfect and so pure that we are unable to comprehend it? Maybe not your exact words, but close enough. Now consider this. Here is an omnipotent being that has created everything, including you, but, and this is a big BUT, the person that is sick and you, �judge� that God is wrong. That he/she is unloving, uncaring, cruel and even evil to do what he/she is doing to make this person sick. By DENIAL, what you are �silently� saying in your prayers is �God, you screwed up! I want you to fix it the way I want you to, to prove that you are a loving God.� Even if you defend your actions and say that you are only �asking� God to do what right and best for the person, it�s still the same thing. If you already know the �truth� that God is going to do what is best for the person, then you wouldn�t be praying in the first place to remind him of his job. Now who�s the pious one? It doesn�t take much mental ability to see what�s really going on when you start to ASK questions, and that there�s a major flaw in the beliefs of prayer, called �denial.� Once you begin to see denial for what it is, you will see it everywhere.

Love, light and Life
John Rieger/Shenreed
�Healing begins in the Heart�

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Re: 103-03 Denial and Prayer.


Hmmmm .... ok, I can see your point. But how do you explain instances where prayer has worked for those who are ill? Was that a pre-planned event, or was it caused by prayer itself? I do not think there is someone granting wishes ... I believe that we, as a species, create realities through our focus of energy .... and that if a person/group gets together to pry they are in fact attempting to change an outcome---I believe it is we, as a whole collective unconcious, which determines the moves on the board of life (sorry, that was bad) and that we are free to exert our will on it. The question then becomes, are we powerful enough to overcome the inertia of the situation?
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Re: 103-03 Denial and Prayer.


Hi Osheen and Welcome,

The question then becomes, did the person need to experience illness as a part of their journey and also that of the miracle, of life and maybe a second chance. Or was the Miracle really that soul leaving the physically body and another aspect of self taking over, as in a "walk -in" and it was able to heal the body. emoticon

Prayer, is still a judgment that what is happening is not acceptable. But of course to those that are praying for a miracle and one happens, then they feel authenticated that it was THEIR divine intervention that saved the person who will eventually die of other causes.

Yes, there are Miracles or happenings that can't be explained by our limited consciousness,limited by imprints, programs and beliefs. Another thing this brings us is that some of the so-called miracles are not of unconditional love. But that's another topic.

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John
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